I looked through the Gun Digests from 1944 to 1959 and 1934, 39 & 41 Stoeger's and didn't see anything like this.
- What is it 04.png (398.77 KiB) Viewed 23661 times
Mystery Choke Devices
-
Researcher
- Posts: 6189
- Joined: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:18 pm
- Location: WA/AK
- Has thanked: 448 times
- Been thanked: 2377 times
Mystery Choke Devices
There was a question over on Shotgunworld about some choke devices from vintage skeet guns.
I looked through the Gun Digests from 1944 to 1959 and 1934, 39 & 41 Stoeger's and didn't see anything like this.
We know the Winchester Model 12 on the left and the Remington Model 11 on the right have Cutts Compensators, but what is on the Browning A5 in the middle?
What is on the Remington Sportsman-48 the gent in the middle is holding?
I looked through the Gun Digests from 1944 to 1959 and 1934, 39 & 41 Stoeger's and didn't see anything like this.
We know the Winchester Model 12 on the left and the Remington Model 11 on the right have Cutts Compensators, but what is on the Browning A5 in the middle?
What is on the Remington Sportsman-48 the gent in the middle is holding?
Share the knowledge
-
Mike of the Mountain
- Posts: 1972
- Joined: Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:16 pm
- Location: Springville, PA
- Has thanked: 93 times
- Been thanked: 112 times
- Contact:
Original Maxim suppressor??-
Silvers
- Posts: 5142
- Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:28 pm
- Location: Between Phila and Utica
- Has thanked: 1168 times
- Been thanked: 1764 times
Re: Mystery Choke Devices
From what I've seen at shows/events and on the on-line sales sites ..... most any vintage shotgun with one of these devices is usually greatly devalued by the market. Despite generally being effective they’re kind of a dusty memory and footnote in shotgun choking technology; and the local shooters have a somewhat derogatory term - with reference to a donkey - for all of them. 
Me, I can't see breaking up the sighting plane by engaging a flying clay or a bird over what looks like a piece of gas pipe at the muzzle. Also, since the OD of the device is much larger than the original muzzle, wouldn't the front bead also sit high and thus the patterns would print low? Has anyone ever tested POI before/after installation? Lastly, many of these devices were put on by small time 'smiths and unless dead nuts on line with the axis of the bore, the device is on cockeyed and even a few thou will make the shotgun shoot off. frank
Me, I can't see breaking up the sighting plane by engaging a flying clay or a bird over what looks like a piece of gas pipe at the muzzle. Also, since the OD of the device is much larger than the original muzzle, wouldn't the front bead also sit high and thus the patterns would print low? Has anyone ever tested POI before/after installation? Lastly, many of these devices were put on by small time 'smiths and unless dead nuts on line with the axis of the bore, the device is on cockeyed and even a few thou will make the shotgun shoot off. frank
Last edited by Silvers on Fri Aug 07, 2026 7:33 am, edited 3 times in total.
Aan
-
DarylC
- Posts: 1621
- Joined: Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:04 am
- Location: People's Republic of Maryland
- Has thanked: 2179 times
- Been thanked: 752 times
Re: Mystery Choke Devices
I hear that from many shooters Frank. I've got a M12 and M11 with them installed and I just think they add to the vintage flavor of the gun. I kind of like them and don't even notice them when shooting. Mr. Murphy and I shot at clubs in the 60's and 70's where all the top shooters guns were equipped with them. Other than being loud they are quite effective as far as chokes are concerned.
Fast forward 50 or so years and some choke tube manufacturers are offering ported, screw in and extended versions of the Cutts.
Fast forward 50 or so years and some choke tube manufacturers are offering ported, screw in and extended versions of the Cutts.
Owning a Fox is not a spectator sport.
-
eightbore
- Posts: 3260
- Joined: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:12 pm
- Has thanked: 83 times
- Been thanked: 409 times
Re: Mystery Choke Devices
The choke tube pictured is a modified Pachmayr Power Pac, a popular device in the early days. I have one on a "real" 28 gauge Model 12 and another on a Model 42. Installed on the pictured base, it would direct all the gasses vertically at a more specific direction than it would on a standard Power Pac installation. The result was intended to be elimination of "muzzle jump". I can see the intent, but I don't see the need. In 65 years in the skeet world, this is the first one of these I have seen.