Value question

Chukarman · Post by **Chukarman** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:49 pm

I have the 4th Fox 16 gauge built - no. 300004. This is C Grade extractor gun with original wood and (it appears) finish. BBLs 28" Chromox steel, about 20% CC, semi-pistol grip, snap-on forend, weight 5 lbs. 12 oz. Double trigger and all as original. I am curious as to the approximate value of this gun.

I am currently using this as a back-up gun to my other Fox 16, but it sees little use from me.

Thanks for your help.

Chukarman · Post by **Chukarman** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:22 am

Over 100 views and no responses? I thought this group would have some ideas.

Have I broken some taboo by posting this question?

M

ahfoxman · Post by **ahfoxman** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:52 am

Good Morning Chukarman,

A hard one to value, without seeing it in the round! I traded a FE 12ga and $7500 for serial number 200,000, an Ansley built, 20 gauge DE grade, in excellent original condition, back in the '90s. With that said, your early gun is very attractive to some of us and should be worth in the five figure range as opposed to four. Someone, at one of the major show venues, should be able to give you honest advice. You have an outstanding piece of early Fox history, Take Your Time and Good Luck. Always Remember: Life is Good, Treat it With Respect!

Post by **fox-admin** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:14 am

No taboo violated. However, as you know many times "value" questions are a way to list a gun that is for sale on a site that does not allow gun sales. I assumed you post is not a for sale ad.
Valuing a gun properly with no pictures and a minimal description is impossible. If you want a guess, I guess $10,000.

Chukarman · Post by **Chukarman** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:49 pm

Thank you, ahfoxman and admin. I am not trying to sell it - I have an offer or two, and I have not made up my mind whether to sell or not. So, no. I am not trying to advertise it for sale.

Of course, it is very difficult to value a gun without a thorough inspection. I traded a Brit 16 gauge for this gun because of my fondness for Fox guns, and I feel I did well on the trade. I have not been paying close attention to fox sales, and I am a shooter, not a collector. That is why I posted - to get a ballpark value to help me consider my options.

I will take some photos and post them.

Mike

MARSHFELLOW · Post by **MARSHFELLOW** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:20 pm

Mike,

anxious to see the pix.

tjw

Chukarman · Post by **Chukarman** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:54 pm

HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS...

Twice Barrel · Post by **Twice Barrel** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:33 am

Wow I didn't realize that Fox used Chromox barrels on their guns in the early 19 teens. I though they were using Whitworth and Krupp on their high grade guns back then. Learn something new every day.

gunut · Post by **gunut** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:19 pm

Nice looking gun ..and still very desireable...Id love to own it....but I think the barrels have been re-blued and the wood redone including checkering...

ASavageFox · Post by **ASavageFox** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:43 pm

Was this the first 16 C?

Personally, I don't see why this gun is more attractive than another 16C? Is 300,005 worth more than 300006? I could see 300,000 and maybe 300,001, especially if they were exhibit guns, commanding a premium but where does it end.

I recently bought a 16CE and its probably not as nice as yours but I did not pay anything EVEN CLOSE to 5 figures... I think I got a good deal but 10K seems high to me...

Researcher · Post by **Researcher** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:48 pm

This gun doesn't have the "special" engraved lettering on the receiver's watertables that 200001 and 200002 had that says ""Chromox" High Pressure Steel." The first mention of Chromox Steel is in the early 1911/12 smallbore brochure. It appears from those I've observed that most of the very earliest graded smallbores had Chromox barrels with a smattering of Krupp, and then for a while they were virtually all Krupp. Through all the big "Fox Gets the Game" catalogues (1913, 1914, and 1915-17) the barrel material for the graded guns is listed as Krupp. The earliest catalogue I have that lists Chromox barrels is a 36-page pocket "Fox Gets the Game" with a December 1919 price list in it.

Chukarman · Post by **Chukarman** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:03 pm

Researcher

The info on Chromox steel fits my two small bores - this gun has Chromox barrels and, I believe, Chromox receiver. My 1915 AE has Krupp barrels and does not seem to have the high nickel content in the action steel. The 1915 gun also has the 'A' grade stamp over a visible 'X' stamp.

Chukarman · Post by **Chukarman** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:10 pm

gunut wrote:Nice looking gun ..and still very desireable...Id love to own it....but I think the barrels have been re-blued and the wood redone including checkering...

Possibly. Hard to tell if it is an old refinish job if done well, The metal is not proud of the stock wood, so if it is a refinish, it was done carefully. As for the barrels, they don't show any signs of a re-polish job. Lettering is crisp and rib seems to be sound. The barrels ring. But you never know.

Researcher · Post by **Researcher** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:02 pm

To my eye, the shape of the grip and the checkering on the grip look Savage, like it may have been restocked by them in the 1930s.

thuddddddd · Post by **thuddddddd** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:57 am

Mike, given my vast knowlege of Foxes, I'd give it a value of about $1,000.00 us....... I'd be happy to wire you the funds from my Nigerian uncles bank account. I will expect a 600 day inspection period. And while your sending me the gun, you might as well crate up the dog with the crooked tail, I think you call him Ted.......

Hope your having a great christmas.

Tim

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