Photo's of early Philadelphia Arms gun?

vaturkey · Post by **vaturkey** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:30 pm

Anyone have any pictures of those guns with the recessed pin? I know there is one in MM's book (grade C I believe), but I'm guessing there is a few others around. Wondering what the higher grades looked like, engraving etc.

Researcher · Post by **Researcher** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:45 pm

You gotta start looking around our web site --

http://www.foxcollectors.com/philadelphia%20arms.htm

I did an article on one of the known E-Grades in The Double Gun Journal, Volume Thirteen, Issue 4; and J. Douglas Tinsley did an article on the other in Volume Two, Issue 1.

vaturkey · Post by **vaturkey** » Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:00 pm

My bad as my young kids say. Thanks for pointing that out.

eightbore · Post by **eightbore** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:39 pm

It would be nice if our website had pictures of all grades of Philadelphia Arms guns. It would be the only such set available for "looking".

dragon · Post by **dragon** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:44 am

i have one serial#152 it is an A grade i have had it completely restored with a leather recoil pad.i will take a couple pics this week and send them in not sure if i can get a good enough pics to see the engraving!

dragon · Post by **dragon** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:12 pm

here are a couple pics,but u cannot see the engraving enjoy

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Researcher · Post by **Researcher** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:37 pm

Nice restoration job. Does the tip of the forearm have a Parker Bros. style metal inlay? I know that later A-Grades don't have it, but the higher grades do and I was wondering if an A-Grade as early as yours might have it. Would make the gun look even more like a VH-Grade Parker Bros. Could you tell us your barrel length?

This A-Grade #324 doesn't have the inlay, nor does the A-Grade forearm I have #1530.

As long as I'm asking questions, has anyone come up with a Philadelphia Arms Co. gun with Damascus barrels. The 1905 Philadelphia Arms Co. catalogue offers Damascus as an option, but I've yet to record anything but Krupp for PAC barrels.

eightbore · Post by **eightbore** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:18 pm

As Dave says, that's a very nice restoration. Who did it?

dragon · Post by **dragon** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:46 pm

no the forearm on this A-grade is plain no metal tip.
new england custom gun did the restoration,it was the typical 100 plus year old gun the wood was black soaked with oil and a couple of wood chunks around the upper tag and receiver chipped out.the checkering was worn smooth.not bad for a $100.yard sale gun! they didn't have alot to work with but they saved everything.
it has 26"tubes

Researcher · Post by **Researcher** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:51 pm

Thanks for the additional info. Do the barrels have any choke or do you think they were cut? The only PAC catalogue I have a copy of (1905) only offers 28-, 30-, and 32-inch barrels.

dragon · Post by **dragon** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:34 am

yes the barrells still have choke in them,we suspected that the barrells were cut.i think the info u gave me about the barrell lenghts from the old catolog is the missing link to the puzzel on these barrells.
must have been cut!
thanku

deweyvicknair · Post by **deweyvicknair** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:01 am

Here are some photos of number 1087, mentioned in McIntosh's book.

Researcher · Post by **Researcher** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:34 pm

That is the only one I've recorded with a four digit serial number above an A-Grade. The other 13 I've recorded from 1005 to 1845 are all A-Grades. Still waiting for someone to post pictures of a PAC gun with a serial number higher then 1845.

eightbore · Post by **eightbore** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:01 pm

Very nice little B Grade. Outstanding wood to metal fit. My B Grade is #873, has no color, but everything else is quite nice. Who did the color on #1087? Maybe Dewey?

dragon · Post by **dragon** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:08 pm

what is the earliest serial # recorded in any grade for the phillidephia arms fox?

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Photo's of early Philadelphia Arms gun?

Photo's of early Philadelphia Arms gun?

Sorry, missed that. Must dig a bit deeper then I had.

P.A.C. B grade