Silvers pads

Stan Hillis · Post by **Stan Hillis** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:16 pm

Anybody here know of a company that sells a good reproduction Silvers pad suitable for restoration on an AE Fox, 16 ga.? I have pads from the S. W. Silvers Co. in London, England, but the rubber plugs are so big (11/16" dia.) as to make the pad unsightly on a little buttstock like this one. Griffin and Howe used to sell a right nice Silvers repro pad, with little plugs about 3/8" diameter, but doesn't have them now. I need a pad that is 1" thick, to get it back to original specs, and to suit my long arms. The gun letters as having been shipped with a Silvers pad. I'd prefer that pad be undrilled, if that's possible, but that can be worked around.

Thanks, SRH

jolly bill · Post by **jolly bill** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:42 pm

Stan,

Tony Galazan/Connecticut Shotgun Mfg. Co. might have what you need: http://www.connecticutshotgun.com/produ ... coil-pads/

Jolly

Stan Hillis · Post by **Stan Hillis** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:58 pm

Bill, the "period correct pad" is the closest thing they have, but I have been told it is not of very high quality, and have not tried one. Their London Silvers pads are the ones with the huge, unsightly (IMO) plugs. If anybody here has experience with the "period correct pad", I would appreciate comments on them.

Thanks, SRH

Stan Hillis · Post by **Stan Hillis** » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:08 pm

I'm sorry, I spoke too soon. They have what I'm looking for I think. They were on another page that I didn't see. If they're 1" thick I'm in business. I want to get this Fox shooting before Oct. 8, when our dove season comes back in.

SRH

Brian Dudley · Post by **Brian Dudley** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:56 pm

CSMC offers 3 different "silvers" pads. The $30 "period correct pad" in orange, the $50 "Silvers No. 3" pad in orange and red, and the $75 original silvers pad in orange.

I like the $50 pad best. I order them in quantity and keep them on hand and fit a lot of them. They install very well. Available in 2 colors and the plugs are small.

I do not care for how either of the other two install. The rubber is tough to work with.

Fowlgunner · Post by **Fowlgunner** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:39 am

There has been a Griffin and Howe on Ebay the last few weeks that is a little pricey but the No.3 size with small plugs none the less.

Also, it seems like someone has mentioned that Mark's Born Again Birdguns is carrying the "London Best" pad again with the small plugs.

Good Luck, Will

Silvers · Post by **Silvers** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:45 am

I have a #3 S W Silver pad in front of me now. Its plugs are nominal 11/16" diameter versus other S W Silver pads that have about .600" diameter holes. Net, the plugs are pretty big and unsightly IMO on a small bore Fox. Stan needs a 1" thickness pad to (I presume) make his minimum LOP. One option for 1" thickness, although complex, is to use rubber cement to glue in the plugs as supplied, carefully buff down to the surface, then have a machinist pick up the centers of the screw holes in the black base and use a milling cutter run at very high speed to cut new plug holes @ 7/16" diameter as on original S W Silver pads with small plugs. New plugs of that diameter can be cut by the same machinist with a "spot facer" with 7/16" diameter hole in its center, again at very high speed on the mill and made from a new spare pad so the color matches. A little complicated and expensive, and a very careful inspection will likely show the joint where the original plugs were glued in. Another less expensive option is to use the #3 S W Silver pad, have the plugs buffed to the contour after mounting on the gun, and leather-face it with black colored leather as was factory done on XE's and other Fox guns.

Stan Hillis · Post by **Stan Hillis** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:42 pm

Thank you, Frank. Good ideas. I may seriously consider the leather facing. Also thanks for the tip on the G & H pad, Fowlgunner. If I can't find what I'm looking for soon enough, I will just grind a 1" pad of some sorts to use on it temporarily until the right one comes along. I'm about to have a conniption to shoot this pretty little thing.

SRH

Stan Hillis · Post by **Stan Hillis** » Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:25 pm

Fowlgunner,

Are you sure the G & H pad is still on eBay? I looked through 1700 pads and did not see it. But, I got bleary-eyed before I finished so I could have missed it.

The London Best pad that Mark has is contoured on the face, unlike a Silvers, and if I were to grind it flat I wouldn't have 1" thickness, I'm afraid.

Thanks, SRH

Fowlgunner · Post by **Fowlgunner** » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:38 am

Sorry Stan.

I posted before work on morning before I had a chance to double check it.

When I did that evening it was gone.

I will did a little deeper and see if it just ended or sold.

I'll be back later today.

I have been on radio silence for the past few days as I had a 50th anniversary party for my parents at my home and hosted some of my relatives for a few days.

Will

Stan Hillis · Post by **Stan Hillis** » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:59 pm

No problem, Will. I'm none the worse for wear.

SRH

Stan Hillis · Post by **Stan Hillis** » Sun May 28, 2017 9:43 pm

Installed my first Silvers style pad and it really came out nice. It is one of Mark Beasland's pads with the small plugs. I'm very pleased with the appearance of it on the 16 ga. AE.

One more question and I promise I won't ask any more about them. Regarding the plugs, when you cut them to length and get it all looking right do you typically glue them in with something, or just trust that they won't work their way out and get lost? I have zero experience with Silvers pads so I really haven't a clue. Have pity on a novice and a dummy, one more time ...... pleeeeeze.

Thanks, SRH

Fowlgunner · Post by **Fowlgunner** » Sun May 28, 2017 10:00 pm

Stan,

I have no experience with the Silver's or Repo's working their way out.

I can, however, attest that the plugs in Kick-eez pads will.

Hope someone will answer your question, I know only that the Gunsmith I use and trust did not glue in the plugs on the original Noshoc's I have had him fit for me, but I also have not fired those guns after fitting.

Please post up a photo.

Thanks, Will

Stan Hillis · Post by **Stan Hillis** » Sun May 28, 2017 10:32 pm

I have purposely not posted any pics of this gun, Will, since I bought it 13 months ago because it was shipped with a Silvers pad and I wanted it to look right before photographing it. I will take some pics soon, and put them up here. I'm kinda excited about it, now. I tried to shoot it a little at doves last fall but it was just way too short for me.

Thanks for the reply and request. Hoping some gunsmiths will check in and give us an answer on this.

All my best, SRH

Silvers · Post by **Silvers** » Mon May 29, 2017 7:37 am

The genuine S W Silver's plugs are a tight fit and there's no need to glue them in place. Plug fit can be loosey goosey on repro pads and old-time rubber cement could be used - it's still sold in hardware stores - but then you won't be able to get at the screws if the pad shifts after shooting. One way to help prevent that is to use screws that exactly match the diameter of the holes in the pad, I mean exactly like dead nuts on size or maybe 1 thou max of clearance. Often the OD of the screw shank is much smaller than the diameter of the holes thru the pad, and in turn that's conducive to loosening of the screw and shifting of the pad after some use. frank

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