ever markings like this

[waterman]

Hi Guys maybe some of you can help me. I have an AE grade with some strange markings to me. On the barrels it has a #1 stamped on them that is the waight then under that there is SB&CoT. Gun is from about 1923 Thanks Donnie

[Researcher]

Sanderson Brothers & Company, the suppliers of the steel tubes the barrels were made from. I don't know about the T but I'll bet Drew Hause does. By the time A.H. Fox Gun Co. was using their tubes they were part of Crucible Steel.

We also often see tube supplier's marks of LLH and a big D with a three-lobed crown over it on Fox barrels. LLH is the mark of Lochet Habran of Jurille, Belgium. Apparently there are two slightly different Three-lobed crown over a D marks. If the lobes are rounded it is Delcour a Belgian maker, and if they are pointed Didiere barrel works of St Etienne, France.

I have seen Ansley H. Fox barrels marked both Chromox Fluid Compressed Steel and Sterlingworth Fluid Compressed Steel with each of the above marks. I think our double gun makers bought tubes and marked them whatever they felt like.

[waterman]

Thanks David

[lee r moege]

I have an Ithaca 1927 NID grade 1E 20 gage that has the SB&co. markings also. What I found is that they were located in Syracuse, N.Y. and were agents for Sheffield steel in England. I also found at some point they became associated with Crucible Steel, so apparently the key word is "agent". Some of these barrel markings can drive you nuts! I have a Belgian 20 gage sidelock by Theopolis Britte built in 1931 with barrels marked "JNO&HV Andrews steel works TOLEDO STEEL Sheffield Eng." There is another in Cody with the same marks. What is English steel doing on a Belgian gun? I found out that IS the case, the TOLEDO STEEL was the trade label for the Andrews steel works in Sheffield England who supplied some of the steel for the Brooklyn Bridge as well as some of the top English gun makers. It's sure fun researching these old markings. Lee.