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C Grade on gunbroker, please comment
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:25 am
by Jeff McDowell
I'm in the market for my first Fox for hunting, and I saw this gun:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... m=95611577
The low serial number and the long barrels with Skeet/Skeet seem odd. I'm not looking for a collectors gun, but I don't want a a complete abberation either. I am in the early stages of my Fox education, so any comments on this gun wold be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jeff McDowell
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:56 am
by eightbore
Four grand is a lot of money for a hunting gun. This gun has been discussed here before, I think. Why are the most interesting pictures on gun sale sites always out of focus? What's the deal with those barrel markings that I can't read? Does anyone know what they say? There is about one chance in ten thousand that the chokes are original but the serial number is very cool.
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:01 am
by mike campbell
Looks like there were 2 lines on each barrel, but the left barrel MAY have only one. It says "HEAVYWEIGHT BARRELS"
The right barrel says "HEAVYWEIGHT BARRELS" and above that it says
FLUID STEEL @#%& (possibly KRUPP?) *^@!
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:09 am
by eightbore
Are those markings something we are familiar with? Are they common on early Fox guns?
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:51 pm
by fox-admin
I have never seen the "Heavyweight Barrels" marking on any other fox I have handled, but that doesn't mean it is not correct. This gun showed up un-restored about a year ago on Gunbroker, someone has refinished it in the last few months. The new case color does not look correct to me. The gun has been refinished in my opinion not restored. It has been for sale for a very long time, that should tell you what the market thinks about the gun.
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:10 pm
by Silvers
Take a look at the slot in the head of the screw that hold the cocking slide in place, about the 15th pic down. Silvers
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:03 pm
by ed gagne
the line says fluid steel krupp essen which we know was the name of the krupp estate in germany.
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:17 pm
by birdawg
My C grade SN 18x has under barrel markings
FLUID-STEEL-KRUPP-ESSEN
bellow that on the second line of each barrel
HEAVYWEIGHT BARRELS
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:44 am
by eightbore
Now that is interesting. I would be curious how close the barrel weight is to the chart in McIntosh's book. Would it correspond to a 1 or a 0? I wonder if early Fox literature mentions "heavyweight barrels"? I've never noticed such a marking on a Philadelphia Arms Company gun.
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:40 am
by birdawg
Bill FYI,
I was surprised that they are not really heavy, about a 3.5 by the book table.
They are 28" (touching at the muzzle) and weight 3# 6oz. My 2 pair of C 30" 4 marked barrels weight the same on those scales. That is right on the table weight for 30" 4's,
. Book weights for 28" 3's are 3#8oz and 3#4oz for 4 weight barrels so these split the 3 and 4 weight on my scale.
Jess