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Building a Fox just for me

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:D Okay guys,

I'm asking for ideas here. I am already into a project that has some direction, but I have not ironed out all the details yet. I'd like ideas from any and all. There will be no debating the merits, or lack thereof, of any suggestion. I will very much appreciate anyone's participation and ideas. Here's what I have so far:

I have an A grade Philly Fox receiver with early style engraving. When I bought it years ago it came with a really pretty buttstock, original round knob, with pretty figure. I de-oiled it several years ago and raised the dents as best I could. It languished several years. I got hold of a set of bulged ejector barrels and forend, Philly again, with original wood also. Barrels were pretty bad, so I waited again. Well, it is said that all things come to those who wait and it did. Last winter I was offered a set of 32" ejector barrels, Utica, that had never been fitted to a gun at the Fox factory. They were in excellent condition, inside and out. Rib matted, chokes cut ( both very tight), roll stamped on both tubes, chambers cut to 2 5/8". Basically finished except for polishing and bluing, and not drilled and tapped yet for beads, but never a stone cut on the hook. After much phone consultation with the barrels' owner, comparing measurements to my receiver, etc., a deal was struck and they came my way. I sent it all to my Fox man who fitted the barrels beautifully to the A grade receiver and fitted the ejector fore end to them both. He also lengthened the chamber to 2 3/4". He was very pleased with the job, and I am too. The width of the barrels at the breech is within .001" of the width of the receiver balls. They look like they were made for each other! I am shooting it some now, in the white, just to get a feel for it. I shoot it really well, I think, but then I have a thing for big, long 12 ga. Foxes.

That's where we are currently. Here's what I know about the direction I want to go. I want it to be a personalized sporting clay/pigeon/duck gun. It will be used, regularly, so I have no interest in creating a showpiece that will only end up with honest wear and dings. I intend to keep and use the original wood, as the dimensions are fine for me and it's pretty enough set it off a little. Since it is not an ejector receiver I am going to save the ejectors that are in it and put in a one piece extractor. I have another Fox with a broken guide pin on an ejector, so they will be put to use eventually. I am planning to have the original engraving recut just a bit bolder so that it will stand out nicely, then have it cyanide recased. That's what is pretty well decided. It will have either an original, old stock Hawkins or Jostam's pad. I need it for LOP, and besides that I just like 'em on a "using gun".

Now, for the rest. I'd like something engraved on the top rib to personalize the gun for me, but don't know what, yet. Open to ideas. Do you think there would be any way to incorporate a gold inlay into the receiver bottom, utilizing the original engraving pattern, to make that unique, and be done with good taste? How about inlaying the "SAFE" in gold? I don't want to throw the bank at the engraving, just do a few little things to make it unique to me. Nothing gaudy. I know some think any gold is gaudy, but I like very small amounts when done tastefully. As I said, it will have the original wood, and even with a complete refurbishing of it, it will never be show quality, so other stuff should be in line with the gun's overall theme, and usage.

Put on your thinking caps guys, we've got plenty of time (I hope :) ), and I'd very much like to hear any suggestions or potential pitfalls any of you have to offer.

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Stan,You know what you want and safe inlayed in gold is not gaudy! Bobby
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I would put a long splinter forend on it with black inlay like XE. Bobby
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I have my initials engraved in gold on the trigger guard on one of my guns. Looks very nice to my eye.
Or maybe a dove or duck inflight in gold on the trigger guard. Craig Larter
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Stan, I dodn't know if you did the chokes as yet but if it were me I would probably make them about Mod & Full so I could use it for clays and hunting. I'm not much on gold inlays on anything but that's just me. Maybe some nice barrel wedges in the way of engraving? Sounds like a great project! Frank
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Thanks, guys. Keep it coming. I don't particularly care for inlaid ovals in the wood with initials, not that they are ugly, they are just so common now. Initials on the bow sounds good, and I really like the "SAFE" in gold idea.

Frank, the chokes haven't been touched yet. They will be dealt with eventually. I may even go as far as LM and IM, prolly no more open than that. I lean towards tighter chokes for ducks, clays and pigeons anyway.

If something were to be engraved on the rib, such as "Built for S.R. Hillis", just as an example, would it look better if the background were milled off so that the lettering is in a "panel" with rounded ends, or just lettered into the matted area itself?

Leave the original safety slide, replace it with one I design, or do away with it all together? I don't put much faith in safeties on guns anyway, much preferring to use the one between my ears first and foremost.

Everyone please feel free to express your likes or distaste of these ideas.

All my best, Stan
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Those long SFEs really DO look nice, Bobby, especially on 32" barrels. Good idea. I've got a whole set of ivories off piano keys. Wonder if that could be used for an for-end tip inlay, or is it too thin?

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I don't know how thin a piano key is, but I know that having a new forend made will add to the price. I buy ivory chunks from Boone Trading Company. My Becker Parker project has a 12" forend with ivory tip that is about the neatest forend I have ever seen. The 32" barrels made the package. It was on display at the Southern. My Fox project gun will have an identical forend and a near identical straight grip stock. The Fox started as an early A like yours, but all of the engraving is gone now. Unfortunately, it has short 30" barrels. I like rib inscriptions in milled out areas.
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Bill,

Did you leave the safeties on the Parker and the Fox, or were they already non-safety guns?
I sure would like to see that Parker. What does it weigh?

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Stan,I do not like ivory inlays at all! I would use ebony or horn.Bobby
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Personally, I'm with Bobby.....I like a darker inlay rather than ivory. The long forend is a nice idea, along with "SAFE" in gold. Doing Initials on a trigger bow is nice, that can always be changed out if/when you are no longer the steward of the gun. Whatever you decide to do is "the right" thing. Good luck with your project.

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Mike made an interesting suggestion, that is possibly doing the muzzle end rib treatments as on a C grade. I have never owned a C, or CE and can't remember what it looks like. Can't seem to find a good pic of one either. Anybody got a close up of the rib ends on a C ? I assume it's some fancy filework?

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I am using ivory because both of these guns are Becker/Buckingham clones. Otherwise, I would be using ebony. The Parker is a no safety gun. Dewey Vicknair made a "beetle" safety knob for the Fox. My right hand is all but paralyzed, so the standard early A safety wouldn't work for me.
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Thanks Bill,

I knew that was the reason you were using ivory. I personally like the look of old, aged ivory when it is "in it's place". I agree on a gun like I'm building that ebony would look better. I think I want to retain a non-automatic safety on it. I have no problems operating the early A grade type right now, but I'm not getting any younger and plan to use this one as many years as I'm able. Larger safeties are easier for me to operate with a wet, numb-from-the-cold thumb, or with gloves, too.

You figure about 8 1/4 to 8 1/2 lbs. would be about right for handling up to 1 1/4 loads at modest velocities ? I don't want it as heavy as my HE, which is 9 1/2 lbs.

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I don't know about weight or recoil, Stan, I shoot a 6 1/4 pound ten gauge at birds. As far as custom guns go, however they come out is fine with me. I am a competition shooter like you and have shot ten pound 32" sporting guns since the mid eighties when no one else was doing it. I don't cut and grind on my guns to make them perfect. My guns are not all the same and I don't need them to be the same. I can miss in all weight classes and all stock dimensions. I shot a friendly competition today with my favorite high tech crossover competition gun. I could have shot a better score with a full choke .410 shooting with my nearly blind right eye. I just like shooting, especially when someone is keeping score or feathers are flying. If you are building a custom gun for hunting, let it come out as light as possible without drilling. If it is heavier than you want to carry, drill away. I think my 30" Becker clone Fox is going to come out just under eight pounds. I won't weight it up to reduce recoil with 1 1/4 ounce loads. My 1 1/4 ounce loads at 1200 fps are very friendly.
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