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An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:29 pm
by vaturkey
Picked this one up local today from a local gunstore. I do a fair amount of business there, as they handle all of my inbound shipments. Since most of those shipments consist of Foxes, they kind of keep their eyes peeled for Foxes that might wander in. That said, in the 5 years they have been looking for me, only two Sterlingworths have showed up and they were strictly shooters. To put it mildly, this part of the Shenandoah Valley is not a hot spot for Ansley's graded guns (unlike Pa).

Thus the rest of the story is that yesterday after coming home from work I noticed the old blinking light on the answering machine from the gunshop. Too late to call, but the message said an A. H. Fox had showed up in the store and they had bought it with the idea that I might be interested. Called this morning (I was off work taking a dog to the vet for shots and buying a new Frig with the Queen of the household). and said it was an early 12 gauge in pretty decent shape and they thought I should come by and take a look. Course I said sure, but really had only mild interest in a 12 gauge Fox (I like small bore Foxes).

Finally got there a few hours ago and rolled into the shop and looked it over. First thing I was struck by was about 99% original barrel blueing and about 50% case colors. Wood looked real good at first and then I noticed a small chip missing behind the top tang and there was a bit of a gap where the stock head meets the frame. Turning it over and looking at it I could see it had been apart and the rear screw wasn't timed correctly. Also noticed the forearm checkering wasn't quite right and it (the forearm) was a tad loose. However even with the forearm off the gun was tight as a drum and the lever way to the right. This sucker was tight.

Took the gun apart then and was surprised to find it had ejectors (was told it was an extractor gun). Also noticed that it had Krupp number 1 barrels (30" long). Got out the skeets and checked the bores and they were both .722. Then checked the chokes and they seem to be reversed. Right barrel was .033 and left barrel was .022 constriction. Either ordered that way, or somewhere in time someone decided to open up just the left barrel. Maybe one of the previous owners was a lefty. Checked the chamber length and they were 2 5/8". Barrels rung like the proverbial 100 year old wind chimes. Lastly, I popped outside and test fired the gun and both barrels went bang, the empty's ejected and the automatic safety worked as it was supposed to.

After all of that was taken care of the negotiations began. I threw out a number and they said no. They threw out a counter offer and I said no. I pointed out the couple of issues and then we both compromised and the deal was struck. The new girl in now in the gunsafe, replacing a VH Parker 12 gauge extractor gun I sold two weeks ago. Couple of other things discovered here at the house is LOP is about 14 1/8" and the Buttstock is curved and thus it hasn't been cut. Drop at Heel is circa 3" IMO. Weight is 7 lb 6 oz. and the chokes are circa 4" long.

I have requested a work order card and its attached.

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Here's a couple of pictures of the old girl:

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Have decided this one is a keeper. Few things have to be taken care from the wood perspective and it will be headed up to see Dan Rossiter at Custom Stocks and Steel shortly. In the meantime I'm smiling like a 50 pound cat that just ate a canary. Even a blind squirrel finds a acorn once in a while. :)

Re: An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:32 pm
by Silvers
Tom, looks like nice one. Thanks for sharing the story. I like the combo of 1-weights and 30" barrels. Those oil sheen on water case colors are always nice to look at. As are the small flutes on the nose of the comb. Nice wide rib. The serial number on the f/e iron is a bit atypical - being stamped along its long axis. Also the upper part of the f/e knuckle is radiused; I'd guess that's to "pilot" the forend when assembling. Cool!

Now you can split your time between grousing and ducking. :) Frank

Re: An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:13 pm
by fox-admin
Thanks for posting the pictures, what a great example of early bone and charcoal colors. Great find!!!!!!
Great story-------how about sending pictures and your story to our Newsletter editor?????

Re: An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:00 pm
by vaturkey
fox-admin wrote:Thanks for posting the pictures, what a great example of early bone and charcoal colors. Great find!!!!!!
Great story-------how about sending pictures and your story to our Newsletter editor?????

Be glad to. To whom should I exactly send the posting to? Also, I have a few other pictures I can include as well. Be glad to add this one as well as the SW 32" 16 gauge pictures and story to the Newsletter editor. Also, I'll be up in Pa once the 32" SW arrives and will take some good digital photo's of that gun as well.

Re: An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:08 pm
by fox-admin
Researcher aka Dave Noreen is our Newsletter Editor. Here is e-mail address david.noreen@comcast.net

Re: An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:36 pm
by vaturkey
fox-admin wrote:Researcher aka Dave Noreen is our Newsletter Editor. Here is e-mail address david.noreen@comcast.net
Just sent him everything as well as permission to make edits as required and more pictures.

Re: An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:19 pm
by vaturkey
Saw the gun this weekend. Will required a repair to the back as there is a split in the stock head. Shouldn't be hard according to Dan. Also will required a bit of TIG welding the forearm to tighten it up. Other then that Dan believes it might be the best A grade he's ever seen. He puts the original blue at over 99 percent and the case colors at 50 percent. I was quite pleased with the outcome of the very details inspection.

Re: An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:25 pm
by ROMAC
Great gun and equally great story. To find case coloring on an early A is a rare thing indeed.

Re: An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:00 pm
by Sam Ogle
Dan Rossiter is the man. He is absolutely first rate in many respects, not just stock repairs.
Sam Ogle, Lincoln, NE

Re: An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:54 pm
by jolly bill
vaturkey,

I don't want to be rude and abnoxious for butting in on your threads and adding pictures. Not sure if that is impolite but if so, I can cool my heels.

Thought I would throw in a couple pictures of your guns slightly younger sister, an early style A 12 with SN 19823, just about 134 guns after yours was numbered. Kind of a crisp condition gun with lots of nice case color. And I happen to have the original factory tag for the gun. But the tag lies, it does not have ejectors like it says on the tag.

Jolly

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Re: An old AE finds a new Va home

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:34 pm
by vaturkey
jolly bill wrote:vaturkey,

I don't want to be rude and abnoxious for butting in on your threads and adding pictures. Not sure if that is impolite but if so, I can cool my heels.

Thought I would throw in a couple pictures of your guns slightly younger sister, an early style A 12 with SN 19823, just about 134 guns after yours was numbered. Kind of a crisp condition gun with lots of nice case color. And I happen to have the original factory tag for the gun. But the tag lies, it does not have ejectors like it says on the tag.

Jolly

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Step away. Your's is the cleanest I've ever seen. Like seeing those real early guns. That early style engraving really grows on one for sure.