Fox Collectors

I finally received the PAC gun today, stock broken horrendously, which I knew, barrels very good in and out, lose on the frame, lever way to the left, rough, you get the picture. Serial # 1815 I believe. I'm going to do a total restore on this gun due to the fact there just aren't many of them.
Does anyone out there in Fox Gun Land have access to any records for these guns? I'm very curious to know what might be available. I'll pay, I'm easy, but I'm not cheap! Jerry

I'm guessing by the lack of replies that what's in McIntosh's book is about it for the information on these guns eh? Too bad, they are a nice old gun. I can't believe how much they look like Parker VH! I'm betting that would NOT fly in the legal society of today. Jerry

Yup, Jerry, Dave Noreen, our board member, has a personal database of Philadelphia Arms Company guns, but there are no surviving factory records that we know of. Your gun should respond well to restoration, especially the buttstock.

Before you go messing around with the originality of that gun you had better check into the provenance of it...it appears to have been previously owned by Red Green.

OK, I'll bite, what is RedGreen? Could the stove bolts possibly be original? As it is, it's a complete takedown model as even the stock comes apart! I'll enjoy restocking this one as I like the odd balls. Jerry

Bamboozler, you wouldn't happen to be a cane rod nut would you? Email me for a link if you are. Thanks much, Jerry

JakeFlyFish wrote:OK, I'll bite, what is RedGreen? Could the stove bolts possibly be original? As it is, it's a complete takedown model as even the stock comes apart! I'll enjoy restocking this one as I like the odd balls. Jerry

Red Green was/is a comedic Canadien and the star of his own TV show that aired on PBS and Canadien television. The title character, Red Green, is a handyman who generally tries to find shortcuts to most of his projects, trusting the vast majority of his work to duct tape (which he calls "the handyman's secret weapon" and the "universal adapter"). He is the president of the Possum Lodge, a fictional men's club in the small northwestern Ontario town of Possum Lake, near the also-fictional town of Port Asbestos. He and his fellow lodge members had their own TV show (which was more or less the show itself), in which they gave humorous lessons and demonstrations in repair work and outdoor activities (such as fishing and camping), and advice for men on relating to women, among other things.

For a little taste of Red Green check out this YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5GnBvpFnzA

I watched that YouTube clip, the guy is too much! Thanks, Jerry

Jerry,

What is your barrel length?

I have records of 62 PAC guns as well as references to at least two others but not complete info. The VAST majority are A grades. The lowest serial I have is 51 and the highest is 1845. Most had full pistol grips. No ejectors guns that are known of. All have Krupp steel barrels. Not much else to tell.

here is one that I just got back from having the stocks cleaned up on...

30" Full and Full. Very nice pictures, my checkering, once I took the tape off, is good enough for the pattern transfer once I restock the gun. I might go the full route and case color it as well. What neat old guns. I had an engraved one once, with gorgeous marbe cake wood in it, didn't realize what I had. The gun had nearly all the case color. What was wrong with me! I really like these PAC guns, I find them very attractive. Jerry

Any data on your old gun? Grade, serial, barrel length, stock type?

30 inch barrels, full and full, Pistol grip capped, 14 1/4 " X 3" X 2". Splinter forend, A grade, as far as I can tell. There is a wee little bit of extra engraving on the bottom of the frame that is not on the A grade in the McIntosh book but not much. Serial number is 1815. Typical rib markings with the company name, etc, etc. Luckily the metal is in good condition as far as pits/rust goes. I'll have it recolored, reblued and I'll do the restock. Any one have a suggestion for who does good colors on the Fox guns of this vintage? Thanks, Jerry

Jerry,

I was wondering if you had any info on the PAC gun you USED to own that you mentioned was highly engraved. Do you know which grade it was? Serial? etc. Of the 62 that I mentioned before, only 10 are grades higher than A. Which is probably about what one would expect but still makes them fairly rare. Would love to have info on any others.

In terms of checkering, the butt stock checkering appears to be matching to the earliest S/Ws from what I can tell, but have not taken any measurements or direct comparisons.

Drew

I hate I didn't get any info from the gun, what a knuckle head I am! It was one gorgeous gun though and nearly new. Jerry