single selective triggers

ASavageFox · Post by **ASavageFox** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:50 pm

IS there more than one type of single selective trigger used on early graded fox shotguns? I am used to the selection button being located right next to the trigger but recently saw a gun with the selection button next to the safety??

Thanks! I did a search frist but could not find anything about this.

Silvers · Post by **Silvers** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:07 pm

I understand the Fox-Kautzky trigger was the only factory offering. Its shift button is inside the trigger guard bow. The "Infallible" - manufactured by Lancaster Arms Company - was available as an aftermarket upgrade single trigger as early as 1912. Its shift button is adjacent to the opening lever, not as far back as the safety button. At least one expert has written it was never offered directly by Fox.

Maybe Dave or someone will chime in about the Miller single trigger. I have never seen one on a Fox and I don't know where the shift button is located. Silvers

mc15426378 · Post by **mc15426378** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:46 pm

I believe this gun has the Infallible trigger.

http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi ... =137482491

Mike

ASavageFox · Post by **ASavageFox** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:20 pm

this may have been the one that I saw... does changing the trigger out require a new butt stock...clearly this one has been changed and does not fit very well....

Silvers · Post by **Silvers** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:45 pm

Yep that's an Infallible trigger. Nope, installing one doesn't require changing out the buttstock. As noted that one is ill fitted and the checkering pattern looks atypical to my eye. I also see one of the ejector guide pins is broken off. Silvers

ASavageFox · Post by **ASavageFox** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:11 pm

thanks for the info...

I knew the gun was not right but I totally missed the guide pin missing.... too bad too, fair amount of what appears to me to be original case on that one...

Silvers · Post by **Silvers** » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:27 pm

Regarding the Miller trigger design; I just had an email from a friend who is familiar with them. He wrote "the selection is in the safety, ctr is safe, forward is rt bbl and back is lft bbl, all in the movement of the safety. Some of the earlier Millers had the selection in the trigger guard, which was not as easy to use".

Back to the BE referred to in this post. The missing guide pin is no problem to get repaired. I've replaced a bunch of them. The gun might have possibilities for proper restocking if it were priced right. Silvers

eightbore · Post by **eightbore** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:05 am

The Miller trigger with the selector in the trigger guard is the later one. The tang safety selector is the earlier variety.

mc15426378 · Post by **mc15426378** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:29 pm

I may be wrong (usually am) but to me the stock on this gun looks to be cracked in the head, internally. To me the cheeks stick out too far which, to me, is an indication of a stock being cracked internally allowing the cheeks to pooch out.

Mike

DGKaas · Post by **DGKaas** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:47 pm

You are right, you may be wrong. As the seller states the stock was replaced. It is not factory and just looks proud of the action to me. Checkering, shaping, the cheeks, the nose of the comb, etc. nothing looks Fox on it but it actually may look better in personal and be functionally sound...

Silvers · Post by **Silvers** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:34 pm

It seems the seller has read our posts on this gun and edited its description to include the Infallible trigger, replaced buttstock, broken guide pin. Very good! Frank

ASavageFox · Post by **ASavageFox** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:24 pm

Silvers wrote:It seems the seller has read our posts on this gun and edited its description to include the Infallible trigger, replaced buttstock, broken guide pin. Very good! Frank

Yeah I emailed him to give hm the information... the gun's on consignment from a widow and the husband set the price before he passed so.... ugly situation... I provided him a few links to B and BE guns that were currently for sale and several that had sold in the last year and wished him the best...