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bluenoser
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New Fox Owner

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Hello All,
I have inherited a Model B Fox from a friend of my Dad's, and I admit do not know much about this type of shotgun. I was wondering if anyone could provide some information concerning it's age, and dos and don'ts in terms of ammunition it can fire. I do suspect that it has been modified from a double trigger to a single, and it does have some type of choke. I would think that I would not shoot slugs, or perhaps steel shot? Anyway, any info would be helpful. I am glad I stumbled into this forum.
Thank You, Brett
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That is not a real Ansley H. Fox double, the subject of this web site. It evolved from Savage's J. Stevens No. 530.

Fox Model B – The Fox Model B was introduced by a flyer inserted in some of Savage’s 1939 Fox catalogues –
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and was included in the 1940 Fox catalogue put out by Savage.
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In 1936, Savage's J. Stevens Arms Co. introduced a new double barrel action, replacing their old G.S. Lewis action Stevens No. 330 and Springfield No. 315. The new guns were the Stevens No. 530 and the Springfield No. 515. What Savage did was take the internal parts of the No. 530 and installed them in a slightly nicer profiled and finished frame with a black gun metal finish, fitted it with a bit nicer stock and called it the Fox Model B. Absolutely nothing to do with the gun designed by Ansley H. Fox.

By January 22, 1945, the retail price of the Model B was up to $34.50. Between 1946 and 1947, Savage Arms Corp. left Utica, NY, and consolidated their gun making operations at their old J. Stevens factories in Chicopee Falls, Mass.

Through the 1954 catalogue the Model B remained a double trigger, plain extractor, slim forearm utility gun. In the 1955 catalogue Savage added a Model BST which got a non-selective single trigger and a beavertail forearm. The offerings were the same for 1956 thru 1958.

By the 1960 catalogue the B and the BST got ventilated ribs. Between the 1960 and 1961 catalogues, Savage/Stevens/Fox moved from Chicopee Falls to the new factory at Westfield, Mass. There were no changes in the 1961 catalogue.

For 1962 a B De Luxe in 12-gauge was added with a satin chrome receiver, white-line grip cap and butt plate, checkered side panels, beavertail, ventilated rib, and gold plated non-selective single trigger. They also gold plated the trigger on the BST. There were no changes for 1963.

For 1964 the De Luxe became the BDE, and included automatic ejectors, and also was available in 20-gauge chambered for 3-inch shells. The B and BST remained unchanged.

For 1965 the B and BST 20-gauges got 3-inch chambers.

For 1966 the satin chrome BDE was gone. There was a BSE with ejectors, non-selective single trigger, satin black finish, white-line butt plate and grip cap, beavertail and ventilated rib. The Model B had double triggers, was case hardened, had a ventilated rib, and now a beavertail. Both guns now featured impressed stamped checkering. For 1967, 8, 9 and 1970 the offerings were the same. The gun control act of 1968 required Savage to start putting serial numbers on these guns.

By 1971 there was a gun called the Savage 550 which was just like the BSE but had a case hardened receiver, and was offered in 12- and 20-gauges. The text said it had precisely engineered barrels resulting in perfect balance. In the picture it appears to be a mono-bloc design?!? Also grip caps are gone from the B and BSE. Offerings for 1972 were the same – the 550 listed at $174.95, the B-SE listed at $164.95, and the B listed at $139.95.

By 1973, the BSE and 16-gauges are gone, but there is a 24-inch barrel B in 12-gauge and 20-gauge, both with 3-inch chambers.

For 1974 the Savage 550 is gone and the B-SE is back. The B-SE 12-gauge has 2 ¾ inch chambers and the 12-gauge B and 24” Fox B have 3-inch chambers. All the 20-gauge and .410-bore are 3-inch chambered. No changes for 1975, 6, 7, or 8. For 1979 the grip caps are back and the double triggered B is offered with ejectors as the BE.

For 1980, cut checkering is back, but the 24-inch barrel offerings are gone – B, BE and B-SE. In 1981 the BE was gone, but the FA-1 and the FP-1 Fox autoloader and pump appeared. For 1982 the Fox offerings were B, B-SE, FA-1 and FP-1.

For 1983 the only Fox offering was the B-SE. The B-SE remained through the 1987 catalogue when its list price was $525. By the 1988 catalogue the Fox name was gone.
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That little oval with 28S in it on the bottom of the frame is a date code. Savage's year codes started with A = 1949, B = 1950 .... I believe a couple of letters were skipped so S would be about 1964 or 5.

Your gun was made well before the federal requirement for non-toxic shot for waterfowl and I'd advise against ever using steel shot in it. It was made for lead shot. Some of the softer non-toxics like Bismuth or Nice-Shot would be acceptable.
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Researcher, Thank You very much for this information. Brett
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Re: New Fox Owner

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Thanks Researcher, good info to bookmark. I was given a very nice 20 ga Model B several years ago by a dear elderly cousin that I always thought of as an uncle. I am unlikely to ever shoot it again as I lent it to my veterinarian brother, and he likes shooting it,oh well,, it is still in the family. With plenty of Fox, Parker, Lefever, and Ithaca 16's and 20's to shoot, I really dont miss it.
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