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Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:07 pm
by Researcher
The very earliest Western Cartridge Co. catalog and folder introducing the Super-X loads shows the 12-gauge being put up in their 2 3/4-inch FIELD shell, but the 20-gauge being put up in their premium 2 3/4-inch RECORD shell.
1922 Catalog page 20, 12-gauge Field Super-X load.jpeg
1922 Catalog page 21, 20-gauge Record Super-X load.jpeg
The Super-X folder that shows the 20-gauge in the RECORD shell.
Super-X folder only 12- & 20-gauge 00.jpg
Super-X folder only 12- & 20-gauge 02.jpeg
By October 1922, Western Cartridge Co. magazine ads they've added the 16-gauge Super-X load put up in the FIELD shell. The next Super-X folder includes the 16-gauge and also states the 20-gauge Super-X load is in the FIELD shell.
1923 Super-X folder.jpeg
I have never seen one of the early Super-X 20-gauge RECORD boxes. Has anyone? When the Lubaloy loads came out circa 1929, those Super-X loads were all put up in the RECORD shell.

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:05 pm
by Greyfox
Great info!
Perhaps some remember. Back in 1992 Winchester offered a (limited)reproduction of circa. 1922, Super X, 12 ga #6, shotgun shells.
This included both packaging, and 25rds.
Being my favorite brand since I acquired my first shotgun in 1965, I couldn’t resist buying a box….Still in mint condition.
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Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:17 pm
by Researcher
That repro box really resembles the late 1920s early 1930s box. The early style Super-X label used the FIELD picture on the top of the two-piece box.
Early Super-X 12-ga box, Super Excellant.jpg
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This style label is still shown in the 1926 Western Catalog. By the 1927 catalogs they show the label with Super-X on the top.
Second style 12-gauge Super-X top 5.jpg
During 1931-32 the Non-Corrosive priming was introduced --
Third style 16-gauge Super-X.jpg
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During 1933 the one-piece boxes were introduced --
Super-X 10-gauge, 2 7-8-inch, #4 Chilled Shot.png

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:09 pm
by eightbore
Dave, when did Nash Buckingham start using the 3", 1 3/8 ounce Lubaloy #4 loads. What box was that?

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:11 pm
by Researcher
The earliest listing of the Lubaloy Super-X loads I've found is in the February 1, 1929, Western Ammunition for Rifle, Revolver and Shotgun
February 1, 1929, bottom of page 17.jpeg
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but they are not on the February 12, 1929, Western Jobber's Price List?!?

I've yet to see the early 3-inch 12-gauge Lubaloy box, but it would be similar to this 2 3/4-inch --
Early 12-gauge Super-X Lubaloy top.jpg
Early 12-gauge Super-X Lubaloy load side.jpg
All of the Western Ammunition for Rifle, Revolver and Shotgun booklets I have give the "list prices." I found a July 1, 1924, Western Net Price List booklet so here is a comparison --
1924 Specifications and List Prices Super-X.jpg
July 1, 1924, Net Price List 01.jpg

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:49 pm
by fox-admin
$14.00 per case, now RST's are $22.00 per box. Thanks Dave for your always interesting and informative posts!

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:44 am
by Stan Hillis
Notice in that 1924 price list that .410 loads are appropriately priced at way less than other gauges with heavier payloads. No longer the case!

When did the term "Magnum" first appear, relative to 3" twelve ga. duck loads?

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:32 am
by Researcher
When did the term "Magnum" first appear, relative to 3" twelve ga. duck loads?
The term MAGNUM came to the 3-inch 12-gauge with the 1935 introduction of the 1 5/8-ounce load along with the Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck.
One-piece 12-gauge Super-X 3-in Record Lubaloy load flap.jpg
Super-X 12-gauge, 3-inch, RECORD, MAGNUM #5 chilled.jpg
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The first serious use of the term MAGNUM in U.S. shotgun shells was the 1932 introduction of the 10-gauge 3 1/2-inch shell.
Magnum-Ten Announcement 1.jpeg
Magnum-Ten Announcement 2.jpeg
July 1932, National Sportsman, Magnum 10.jpeg
Super-X 10-gauge, 3 1-2-inch, RECORD, #4 Chilled Shot.png
Super-X 10-gauge, 3 1-2-inch, RECORD, #4 Chilled Shot.png (432.89 KiB) Viewed 4043 times

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:18 pm
by Researcher
I found I did have a picture of a 1929-31 3-inch Super-X Lubaloy box --
Super-X 12-gauge, 3-inch, RECORD, #6Lubaloy Piper & Taft.jpg

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:16 pm
by Stan Hillis
Thank you, Dave. i appreciate that reply.

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:15 am
by Fowlgunner
Dave from almost 10 years ago to the day I saved these.

Not Super X though. Still looking!!

Enjoy!

Will


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Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:16 am
by Fowlgunner
Found the 12 guage but no 20!

Will


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Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:51 am
by eightbore
Some day, when I open the case, I'll find out what my 1 3/8 ounce #4 Lubaloy shells look like. After some years, I'm still waiting to find out what the price should be. I only want to keep one box and the cardboard case addressed to Mr. Henry A. Bartholomew. I have hoped that Ward's auction would sell a box like the ones I have to give me that idea, but it hasn't happened yet.

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:53 pm
by fox-admin
A little different Record Super X from the one fowlgunner posted.

Re: Very Early Western Super-X 20-gauge

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:56 pm
by Researcher
The more I look at these various FIELD and RECORD Super-X boxes, I'm thinking the very earliest are the ones where the label doesn't include the amount of shot, just the size.
Early Super-X 20-gauge box, Super Excellant.jpg
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Super-X 12-gauge, 3-inch, RECORD, #2 Chilled.jpg