Fox Collectors

I was just wondering if some of you could help me out , with the average bore and chokes sizes , that are usually found in the early Super Fox gun's? I have some info saying, .740 bore and chokes anything from .40 to.50 +, sounds like some of you have had quite a bit of experience with them.

Each gun is an individual, but your figures fit a lot of them.

Early guns measure .750, there is a group of guns that measure .745, then the last group measure .738-.740. Chokes of .050 exist in all ranges of bore sizes. There even a few guns in the records as HE and the bores measure the standard .730.

Bill and Craig have it just about covered. I'll add that in addition to verifying bores and choke constrictions, it's good to confirm the factory chambering. IME many 12-ga Supers had been modified post-factory by lengthening original Fox 2-3/4" chambers to standard 3-inch, also by opening the special Fox TIGHT 3 IN. chambers to standard 3-inch to more easily accept period 3-inch paper shells without having to push them into battery. A special chamber gauge made to Fox 3 IN. chamber specs is needed to confirm or deny factory 3 IN. chambers. I usually have mine with me while at SxS events with Fox member presence. frank

Thanks, Bill, Craig and Frank for sharing your knowledge , I appreciate it, I'm able to measure close except for the chamber taper, hopefully if I can get my health in order, I can make it to one of the club meetings. I haven't had a chance to keep up much for a while now, been busy with the cancer thing, but doing well and ready to get a few out of the safe, and do some shooting!

Good for you, Highshooter!! We hope to see you and your Super at one of our events this year. Believe me, burning some powder with the Fox gang is the best medicine available without a doctor's order, and the co-pay is far more reasonable!!

This from Chas. Askins the elder's 1929 book Modern Shotguns and Loads page 81 & 82 --
My July 1928 Super-Fox has .738" bores in the original 32-inch, 3-inch chamber, barrels. The gun's extra pair of Savage-era 28-inch, 3-inch chamber, barrels have a normal 12-gauge bore. Years ago, when I was visiting CSMC, Lou and I measured the bores in a Savage-era Super-Fox they had and got .731" bores.

My 3" HE has chokes of .048 and .050. With 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz. #4 Bismuth I get 77% and 80%. With 2 3/4" 1 3/8 oz. #5 bismuth I get 74% and 86%. With 3" 1 5/8 oz. #5 I get 75% and 75% I usually use #4 and #5 shot for ducks.
Jim

thanks for the information Dave, I have made some notes from it , bet that your old Super, will 'knock their eyes out '!

Jim, I bet your HE with those chokes, get the job done also, I like the Long barrel guns with the tight chokes, they're my favorite unless close shooting, timber or upland hunting behind a good dog!, then I will go with one of my other ones.

Is there a reference chart that shows the correlation between serial number range and bore size?

When first introduced HE's were bored .750. Very soon the bore was reduced to .745, after about 1924 the bore was reduced to .738.