1900 Remington at Rock Mountain

[Silvers]

Believe it or not our big December 17 snowfall is mosty gone due to a short warm spell, sun and really heavy rains. Today my gang was at the Rock - cold and windy - and one of our guys brought a decent Remington 1900, actually his second time shooting it over the last week though he bought it some 30 years ago but unfired since then. Perfect bores and chokes about Full and I-Mod using a dime coin today. Joe has also been shooting a 1889 Rem hammer gun quite a bit of late. Both Remmies have composite barrels. Actually another one of his scores back in the old days is a 32" 12-gauge Sterly and he had her out back in October. He's become quite a good SxS shot and I'm working on him to join up with Fox. Last pic shows 2 of the 3 pump guns out today. Net 4 of the 7 guns were atypical on a modern sporting clays course at least hereabouts.

frank

[Researcher]

Great gun! My Father shot Remington Hammerless Doubles from well before I was born. For Christmas 1972, I brought him a Winchester Model 101 20-gauge from Japan, which he carried a lot in his later years. Whenever he missed a bird with the 101, we'd hear "I'd ah got that with my old Remington."

The gun pictured is the design referred to in the Remington Parts Lists as the Model 1894, A- to EEO-grades with the Purdy (sic) forearm latch.

The gun referred to in the Remington Parts Lists as the Model 1900 were the K-grades with the Baker J-spring snap-on/-off forearm latch.

The Remington Arms Co. catalogs and magazine ads always called the guns as the Remington Hammerless Double Barrel Shotgun --

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[Silvers]

So Dave are you saying this is a 1894 and not a 1900? Joe told me it was identified for him as a 1900 by another SxS gent. I don’t have a pic of the forend but I remember seeing an elongated steel tip similar to the one shown in your first pic.

frank

[Researcher]

It looks to me like an A- or AE-Grade as made from 1894 to 1906 to me. The A- to EEO-Grades had serial numbers in the 100000 range, in later years often prefaced with a P, a Remington stock letter. The K- or KED-grades which were introduced in a flyer inserted in some of the 1899 Remington Arms Co. catalogs didn't have stock cheeks that are found on the A- to EEO-grades. Kind of smooth like an SP-/SPE-Grade Fox.

The K-quality guns had serial numbers in the 300000 range, in later years often prefaced with a Q, a Remington stock letter.

During 1906, Remington revised the internals of their hammerless doubles, moving the sear pin forward and changing from firing pins integral with the hammers to separate firing pins.

By 1907, the K-quality guns got the stock cheeks of the A- to EEO-Grades.

When the K-quality guns were introduced, they came in two grades -- the K-grade with extractors & Remington Steel barrels and the KED-grade with ejectors & two-stripe Damascus barrels. A KD-Grade with extractors and two-stripe Damascus barrels appears in the 1903-04 Remington Arms Co. catalog --

The line was filled out with the addition of the KE-Grade in the first 1906 Remington Arms Co. catalog.

[Silvers]

OK Dave you have me baffled. Simple question: from what you can see in my pics, is Joe's Remington a 1894 or a 1900?

UPDATE at 8 pm; identified on another forum as a Model 1894 owing to the difference in forends. I'll tell Joe next time we shoot together.

frank

[Researcher]

It is what is commonly known as a Model 1894. It is an A-Grade if it has extractors or an AE-Grade if it has ejectors.

I was trying, obviously not too successfully, to explain the fact that Remington Arms Co. never cataloged or advertised their hammerless doubles as Model 1894 or Model 1900.

[Jeff S]

You guys know a lot more about those guns than I do, but those old Remington's were solid guns. In the Fall 2017 newsletter, I took my Great Grandfather's Remington Model 1900 out to the pond and collected a pair of wood ducks. It's a heavy son-of-a-gun, but it shoots.

[Researcher]

My Father, R.K., with his 1896-vintage Remington AE-Grade 12-gauge, Rusty the German Shorthair and some obliging Pheasants first week of the 1972 season in Columbia County, Washington.

[vaturkey]

My Father, R.K., with his 1896-vintage Remington AE-Grade 12-gauge, Rusty the German Shorthair and some obliging Pheasants first week of the 1972 season in Columbia County, Washington.

R.K., Rusty, Pheasants, October 1972.jpg

I have a feeling old Rusty was a pretty good bird dog. I think that area was bird rich during that time frame.

[Researcher]

Columbia County, Washington, was lousy with California Quail in my College years, but heavy snows and cold weather decimated them winter 1968-9 just after I went in the Navy in early December 1968. After that the Game Department released Pheasants there and they really took hold. By the time I retired and moved back to Washington State in October 2002, there was a house built right where we got those Pheasants.

Old Rusty was an interesting case. He belonged to a lady friend of ours who was an executive with the Plumbers & Pipe Fitters Union in Seattle. She found him half starved and froze to death along a road in Eastern Washington. She spent a fortune on vets nursing him back to health. He lived in her house and slept on a white brocade sofa.

[eightbore]

Dave can't fool me. That picture is of Tom T. probably taken last week.

[DarylC]

I've had a 16ga. KED for years and this thread reminded me that it's in the back of the safe and I haven't shot it in a long time. Probably because I'm not a 16 guy but it's a new year, what the heck!

Thanks for bringing it up Frank and as always thanks to Dave for the info.

Happy new "Year of the Fox" gentlemen.