Dogs on the bottom of C grades

Silvers · Post by **Silvers** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:43 am

Camera is back home. More C Fox dogs. Silvers

First one is a 320xx gun.

Second image is a 154xx (not mine..... yet).

birdawg · Post by **birdawg** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:57 am

Silvers and all,
You guys are finding some nice ones. I don't find many out here in the Rockies. I guess I will have to become more bi coastal in my searching. The internet seems to only produce the more abused or over priced.

FOXIST · Post by **FOXIST** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:00 am

Birdawg here is a couple pics of the C grade #2. she is a 1912 vintage gun serial 14505 with 28"bbls choked full/full ,1 3/8 at comb 2 1/4 at heel 14 1/4" pull and weighs 7 lbs. Fantastic wood ,high quality engraving this gun is one of my favorites. Paul

birdawg · Post by **birdawg** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:51 am

That has to be one of my favorites also. Just great! Is the wood original?
Thanks for posting those.
Jess

MARSHFELLOW · Post by **MARSHFELLOW** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:55 pm

Ok, here I go....I'm finally going to try a pic or two on this thing. Here is a 16ga CE, letter says shipped April 12, 1933. Marshfellow

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Charlie Sides · Post by **Charlie Sides** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:26 pm

Hey Congratulations on the pics. It was well worth your time for us to see these doggies.

Charlie

FOXIST · Post by **FOXIST** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:18 pm

Birdawg the 1912 gun appears to have the original wood . I thought it almost too nice
until I saw a couple other C grades from the same era with the same kind of figure. I never had the
stock off the action but the comb flute and checkering are consistant with guns in the same serial # range.
Marshfellow nice 16 CE . Posting the pics is not as hard as it appears.
Good Job!! Paul

bbman3 · Post by **bbman3** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:45 pm

They are all beauties and guns to be proud of .If only i would have kept my CE and XE twenties ! Bobby

Post by **fox-admin** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:49 am

Here is an Image of a single setter that is on an early (1931)Utica CHE. The double stetters appear on a D grade gun with an early engraving pattern which didn't ship until 1914. -John Albano

Charlie Sides · Post by **Charlie Sides** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:09 am

love the double setters. Thanks for posting.

Post by **fox-admin** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:24 pm

Well I am at least happy to find out that the dogs on my C's are just as bad as everyone else's (except Foxist). Thanks everyone for the pictures. Researcher does your very early scroll type C have a dog on the bottom?

birdawg · Post by **birdawg** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:06 pm

It seems were are gathering some valuable data here. It would be good to see these photos and serial number range on a separate page on the main site. We should be able to determine when the styles changed from Limbs on the low numbers, to mountains, to what ever style is next.

Just a thought from a idle mind who's tired body has given up chasing Scaled quail for the day.

Researcher · Post by **Researcher** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:19 pm

Here is the dog from the my very early C-Grade.

Researcher · Post by **Researcher** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:26 pm

When did the high tail of my dog

and her daughter

become the accepted stle for Setters? Sure never saw a pictured of Count Gladstone IV with his tail like that.

FRBRIT · Post by **FRBRIT** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:15 pm

The high tail of your setters are the result of us Americans needing to change everything to our style and likes.

Go to field trials in Europe and you'll still find the straight flat tailed setters. The breed has the flat tail because of what they were originally developed for. Before the shooting of game on the wing, hunters used net's where the dog would find,point and hold the bird's. When the hunter approched the dog would crouch and lay flat while the hunter cast a net over the birds and the dog. The high tail would have been a problem in this style of hunting.

So to try and answer your question. I would guess that the date for the high tail would be post WW-II and possibly as late as the 80's, or 90's

Fox Collectors

Dogs on the bottom of C grades

Pictures posted for John Albano (Fox Admin)