Is there any real difference between a Utica vs. Philly?

[ASavageFox]

none of these guns are any longer listed for sale, so I hope the mods don't mind

nothing special but here is a couple of 12s

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =161862228
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =158291242

Couple of 16 that sold under $1000
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =154479445
Even Galazan sold a 16 under $1000, I thought long and hard about buying this one...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =161115109
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =157525395
here is one that no even bid on and it had 30" tubes... cut that extension off and put a pad on for little money
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =154625225

I did not say you were going to be able to buy a high condition gun for $500 but a mechanically sound hunter quality extractor 12 bore. I've bought a few 12 SWs for more than $500 and I just bought a 16SW for over $1000 but I am not looking for a hunter and am willing to pay for condition. Likewise I do not save every SW listing that sells ... at the time I was looking for a parts gun so only saved the ones that sold very cheap. But in the last year plenty of better conditioned 12 SWs sold for under $750. Just last fall I was at an auction where an early A grade with SST sold for $750...i regret not buying it but I'd already bought two other guns high condition gun and was not interested in a gun with no case color even if it has an SST.

There are plenty of reasonable deals out there... heck there is an early A grade with a buy it now of $500 right now...