year Fox made?

[rollbac]

question Is serial 301340 fox a grade 16ga made in 1921 or 1922 thanks

[SmithShady]

Hi Rollbac,

Welcome to the Fox Forum! The only way to know for sure is to find out if the ship date is stamped on the original order card. Paying members of the AHFCA are entitled to one free card lookup per year, and can pay for additional lookups as well. We can do that through this site, but there are no guarantees the order card will contain the information you seek. Our copies of the order cards are mostly of the front side of the order cards with some information hidden on the back. Ordering a letter from the Savage Arms Historian, John Callahan, would be your best bet. There are instructions for doing so on our home page. There is a published chronology from the Lightner Library floating around on the web, but that information is worth what you pay for it. Hope that helps.

Thanks,

Mike

[FoxintheHenHouse]

question Is serial 301340 fox a grade 16ga made in 1921 or 1922 thanks

The way I read the chart below, I would say 1921

http://www.doublegunshop.com/dgsnos1.htm

FoxintheHenHouse

[Researcher]

The way I read the chart below, I would say 1921

http://www.doublegunshop.com/dgsnos1.htm

FoxintheHenHouse

But it is well documented that said chart don't mean squat!!

[FoxintheHenHouse]

Alright then, where can someone find a squat list?

FoxintheHenHouse

[rollbac]

Thanks for confirming 1921.was listed as 1922 and thought I was reading published chronology from the Lightner Library wrong. I just joined this forum and used my free look up on my new to me Fox A grade 20ga.And just purchased a Fox a grade 16ga.And sent for letter from John Callahan on a 1920 sterlingworth 16ga strait grip I got month ago.

[Marcus R]

I wondered how long it would take that A Grade to show up here. Congratulations on the purchase rollbac.

[Researcher]

Alright then, where can someone find a squat list?

FoxintheHenHouse

Completion and shipping dates are so all over the place that a serial number chronology with any real degree of accuracy is impossible. A letter from the Savage Historian is really the only way. I have photocopies of most of the pages Roe Clark used to tabulate the graded 20-gauge guns for McIntosh's book. He did a block of fifty on each page. There are some blocks of fifty that have guns shipped from the late 1920s into the 1940s. I have two 12-gauge guns that are fourteen serial numbers apart. They would be late 1914 guns by the old Lightner Library Serial Number Chronology. Letters from the Savage Historian show one completed and shipped July 1, 1914, and the other shipped September 23, 1918. Another great example of how long a partially completed gun could remain in inventory waiting for an order it could fill is the Dr. Brown AE-Grade serial number 31635. The cards around it were XE-Grades shipped in 1928, but 31635 was finished up as an AE-Grade and shipped July 19, 1940, see The Double Gun Journal, Volume Twelve, Issue 4, pages 69 to 76.

Really the same things can be said of the very best of serial number chronology that Walter Snyder was able to put together for Ithaca, the Ithaca built Lefevers and Western Arms guns. Walter has shown over on the Ithaca forum on Shotgunworld.com some large orders from the 1930s that included guns with serial numbers that went back to the mid-1920s according to the chronology. A lot of in-work and finished guns sat in inventory for years.

These various serial number chronologies at best give a general idea, but no real guarantee of any accuracy, and quite often they are really way off.

Just a fact of life.

[Mylin73]

I wondered how long it would take that A Grade to show up here. Congratulations on the purchase rollbac.

Didn't take long at all did it? I also attended the auction it sold at hoping to steal it.....I knew it was worth more than my budget would allow but sometimes you get lucky. Congratulations on a nice purchase

[rollbac]

YES didn't take but a 3 hr ride to auction,and I wasn't come home without it.Also won the only other fox that day.Sterlingworth.Now have AE grade 20 bore all original and A grade 16bore original

[rollbac]

Any idea how long it will take to get info on sterlingworth? sent for letter from John Callahan on a 1920 sterlingworth 3 weeks ago. JUST asking

[FoxintheHenHouse]

Any idea how long it will take to get info on sterlingworth? sent for letter from John Callahan on a 1920 sterlingworth 3 weeks ago. JUST asking

My last letter took a month.

FoxintheHenHouse