Found a rare configuration of a grade B
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Found a rare configuration of a grade B
A few weeks ago, I acquired what I believed to be a wonderful example of a classic American shotgun. What I didn't realize at the time, is that it was also a rare build.
It’s an AH Fox 12 ga SxS BLE, with Krupp steel barrels, in good condition. Serial number indicates she was built in 1912. Lots of honest use showing on her, but no abuse. She locks up tight, with the top lever still closing well right of center. Her tubes are bright with a trace of minor pitting in the right barrel. No cracks, dents, or chips. Aftermarket Pachmyer buttpad installed.
As described above, I was confident that I had made a shrewd purchase. When I got her home and started doing some reading, I discovered I had a very rare configuration. This particular Fox is a Grade B. Hardly anybody ordered B grade, so they are quite rare. In addition, the straight or "English" stock was ordered on 15% or fewer of the double guns Fox produced, IIRC. And, the biggest surprise, this gun has 32" barrels.
I took it in the field the day after I bought it and dropped a ruffed grouse using Gamebore Pure Gold 2 1/2" smokeless shells. I'm truly blessed to have this gun and the opportunity to play with it!
The details:
Length of pull: 14 3/8"
LOP w/o butt pad: 13 15/16"
Barrels: full 32 inches
Drop at comb: 1.43"
Drop at heel: 2.70"
Left muzzle: .698"
Right muzzle: .697"
The measurements at the muzzle would indicate the chokes are very slightly more open than full choke. This conclusion could change if the exact bore diameter were known. My suspicion is that this gun was ordered as a water-fowler and that this is supported by the 32" barrels and full chokes on both barrels.
The weight of the gun came as a bit of a shock. It weighs in at 8.0975 lbs. Having hunted with it twice already, I found that this seemed much higher than I would have expected. However, the balance point is between the hands and, despite the long barrels, it handles very well. Using Don Amos' formula for evaluating game gun handling characteristics, this gun scores 2.06691
It’s an AH Fox 12 ga SxS BLE, with Krupp steel barrels, in good condition. Serial number indicates she was built in 1912. Lots of honest use showing on her, but no abuse. She locks up tight, with the top lever still closing well right of center. Her tubes are bright with a trace of minor pitting in the right barrel. No cracks, dents, or chips. Aftermarket Pachmyer buttpad installed.
As described above, I was confident that I had made a shrewd purchase. When I got her home and started doing some reading, I discovered I had a very rare configuration. This particular Fox is a Grade B. Hardly anybody ordered B grade, so they are quite rare. In addition, the straight or "English" stock was ordered on 15% or fewer of the double guns Fox produced, IIRC. And, the biggest surprise, this gun has 32" barrels.
I took it in the field the day after I bought it and dropped a ruffed grouse using Gamebore Pure Gold 2 1/2" smokeless shells. I'm truly blessed to have this gun and the opportunity to play with it!
The details:
Length of pull: 14 3/8"
LOP w/o butt pad: 13 15/16"
Barrels: full 32 inches
Drop at comb: 1.43"
Drop at heel: 2.70"
Left muzzle: .698"
Right muzzle: .697"
The measurements at the muzzle would indicate the chokes are very slightly more open than full choke. This conclusion could change if the exact bore diameter were known. My suspicion is that this gun was ordered as a water-fowler and that this is supported by the 32" barrels and full chokes on both barrels.
The weight of the gun came as a bit of a shock. It weighs in at 8.0975 lbs. Having hunted with it twice already, I found that this seemed much higher than I would have expected. However, the balance point is between the hands and, despite the long barrels, it handles very well. Using Don Amos' formula for evaluating game gun handling characteristics, this gun scores 2.06691
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I have a 12 same configuration excpet 28" barrels. Original it was 30" but was barreled with another set a long time ago. done right but not original. Done know if the original were damaged, lost or whatever. Still they are nice guns and I like the early engraving better. more like a CE.
PS: Give me the translation of your latin. I pretty much know what it says but want the exact.
PS: Give me the translation of your latin. I pretty much know what it says but want the exact.
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I wouldn't consider first generation B-/BE-Grade 12-gauge guns scarce. There were two for sale at the most recent Spokane gun show -- Bud Stanley had one for $2200 and Hans Hanwerker (sp) had the other, listed in the latest DGJ for $3650. The 16- and 20-gauges guns with the first generation B-/BE- engraving style are very scarce. Likewise I don't find 32-inch barrels on graded 12-gauge Fox guns scarce. No where near as plentiful as 30-inchers, but certainly not scarce.
Looks like you have a gun with a great combination of features -- almost a Pigeon Gun. Enjoy and shoot it in good health.
Looks like you have a gun with a great combination of features -- almost a Pigeon Gun. Enjoy and shoot it in good health.
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"Always in sh*t, but don't let the bastards grind you down!"Brian wrote:PS: Give me the translation of your latin. I pretty much know what it says but want the exact.
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for sellers
It would be that Caveat Septor applies to sellers if my extremely limited latin is correct
we had a unit for my unit "NE CONJUGAL NOBISCUM"
we had a unit for my unit "NE CONJUGAL NOBISCUM"
Straightshooter I think that is a very nice Fox. I just love those sleek lines
of the early straight grip guns and they look even nicer with 32" bores. Just ask"Toolman"
how hard those 32" straight grip guns are to find. I know he has been looking for some collector
grade guns for quite some time.
Good luck with that nice BE!! Paul
of the early straight grip guns and they look even nicer with 32" bores. Just ask"Toolman"
how hard those 32" straight grip guns are to find. I know he has been looking for some collector
grade guns for quite some time.
Good luck with that nice BE!! Paul
A FOX GETS THE GAME!
XE Stright Grip
Oddly enought, there's two 12 ga XE straight grips for sale by two different dealers right now. Both are over $10K. And both certainly out of my price range .