AE with 32" barrels and an introduction pic heavy

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AE with 32" barrels and an introduction pic heavy

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I'm a new member to the forum from Utah with a couple of AE Grades, a 12 and 20. I'm not really a collector more of an accumulator that likes good side by sides.

The 12 has 32" barrels both choked a very tight .040" of restriction. I'm curious as to how rare 32" barrels were. The chambers measure 2 5/8".

The little 20 has 26" barrels, a single trigger and beavertail fore end. It has a vintage Hunter pad I assume was added. The wood is pretty decent. Anyway here are a few pics.

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12 AE
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Average wood on the 12 AE
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The little 20 has 26" barrels, a single trigger and beavertail fore end. It has a vintage Hunter pad I assume was added. The wood is pretty decent. Anyway here are a few pics.

The 20 AE
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20 AE butt
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20 AE
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SPB,

........what a nice pair of guns......great pics...thanks. Great little 20ga with special features....most of my favorite options in one package.

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Very nice guns indeed. They are both pretty hard to come by. The 20 for sure with the beavertail.
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Bill extremely nice and uncommon perhaps even rare pair of Foxes. What is the serial number of the 20 gauge and how is it choked? I have a 16 set up just like your 20 and it is choked between cylinder and improved cylinder and about light modified which puts it right in the Skeet In and out (Skeet 1&2) chokes.
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VERY NICE++++ Thanks for sharing the pictures are great.
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Twice Barrel wrote:Bill extremely nice and uncommon perhaps even rare pair of Foxes. What is the serial number of the 20 gauge and how is it choked? I have a 16 set up just like your 20 and it is choked between cylinder and improved cylinder and about light modified which puts it right in the Skeet In and out (Skeet 1&2) chokes.
It is choked improved cylinder and modified with 26" barrels. The little gun weighs just under 6 lbs. and the length of pull is a little on the short side; so, my much better half has taken it over.
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[/quote] It is choked improved cylinder and modified with 26" barrels. The little gun weighs just under 6 lbs. and the length of pull is a little on the short side; so, my much better half has taken it over.[/quote]

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For thirty years she been my hunting partner, she deserves a little Fox.

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The serial number on the 20 is 203206 and the 12 is 26963.
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Very nice pair of AE-Grades.

You can get factory research letters on your guns from the Savage historian --

http://www.foxcollectors.com/ah_fox/con ... tters.html

Also, dues paying members of the AHFCA are entitled to one free look up of a graded gun production card from our photocopied records, per year, with additional lookups for $25. One of the board members makes a jpeg of the card and emails it to the requesting member.

While 12-gauge 32-inch barrels are not as common as 30- or 28-inch barrels, they certainly are not "rare." 32-inch 20-gauge barrels are very rare. As far as I know, no one has gone through all the 12-gauge A-/AE-grade records to see how many of each barrel length was made.

FOX CHAMBERS --

The only two A.H. Fox Gun Co. catalogues, that I have seen, that state chamber lengths are the 1913 and 1914. They both state 12-gauge guns are regularly chambered for 2 3/4 - inch shells, 16-gauge 2 9/16 – inch shells and 20-gauge 2 1/2 - inch shells. That being said, virtually every 12-gauge Ansley H. Fox gun made in Philadelphia (other than the HE-Grade Super-Fox) that I've run a chamber gauge in shows about 2 5/8 - inch. The chambers of unmolested 16-gauge guns seem to run about 2 7/16 inch and 20-gauge guns a hair over 2 3/8 inch. A very few graded guns were ordered with longer chambers. Savage began stating chambered for 2 ¾ inch shells in their 1938 Fox catalogues.

All this being said there is a good body of evidence that back in those days chambers were held about 1/8 inch shorter than the shells for which they were intended. In the recently published book The Parker Story the Remington vintage specification sheets on pages 164 to 169 call for a chamber 1/8-inch shorter than the shell for which it is intended. Also in the 1930's there were a couple of articles in The American Rifleman (July 1936 and March 1938) on the virtue of short chambers. A recent issue of The Double Gun Journal carried an article on tests showing no significant increase in pressure from shooting shells in slightly short chambers. IMHO I don't much sweat that 1/8-inch in 12-gauge guns. On the other hand when one gets a 20-gauge chambered at 2 3/8-inch likely intended for 2 1/2-inch shells I do worry about folks firing 2 3/4-inch shells in such guns.
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SPB,

I see you are no stranger to a camera........nice subjects, nice composition, nice pix.

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MARSHFELLOW wrote:SPB,

I see you are no stranger to a camera........nice subjects, nice composition, nice pix.

tjw
Thank you. I make my living as a photographer.

Researcher thank you for the reminder on the 1/8" short chamber spec. I'm also a member over on that Parker forum and shoot one of those old time bomb Damascus barreled Parker GH 12 gauges with 2 5/8" chambers with 2 3/4" shells. I have all my fingers still but one never knows.
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Slowpokebill wrote:For thirty years she been my hunting partner, she deserves a little Fox.

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Which one's the Fox? :wink:
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Slowpokebill wrote:For thirty years she been my hunting partner, she deserves a little Fox.

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You are an outstanding photographer! Were the gun pictures taken outside with natural lighting?
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